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		<title>By: ChrisL</title>
		<link>http://oclblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/the-onondaga-citizens-league/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, first of all, 481 already exists, so the point of building a new highway and dividing new communities is moot.  Second of all, the existing 481 runs mostly through unihabited land or swamp, although there area few developments which all face away from the highway and have no missing connections to the other side.  So, by diverting traffic off 81 to 481, we arent building anything new or changing the current physical situation of communities near 481.  Actually, if anything, 481 is UNDERutilized as it stands now, as lots of people could tell you after traveling 81 and 481 and then comparing the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, first of all, 481 already exists, so the point of building a new highway and dividing new communities is moot.  Second of all, the existing 481 runs mostly through unihabited land or swamp, although there area few developments which all face away from the highway and have no missing connections to the other side.  So, by diverting traffic off 81 to 481, we arent building anything new or changing the current physical situation of communities near 481.  Actually, if anything, 481 is UNDERutilized as it stands now, as lots of people could tell you after traveling 81 and 481 and then comparing the two.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Gatling</title>
		<link>http://oclblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/the-onondaga-citizens-league/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Gatling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I&#039;ve been thinking about this whole &quot;dividing the community&quot; thing, and  even putting roads &quot;in the middle of nowhere&quot; doesn&#039;t free us from controversy. The king of roads, Robert Moses, was notorious for not considering the property lines of farmers out on Long Island when planning his parkways. Shouldn&#039;t we also be careful not to isolate the residents of two adjacent rural properties from each other when we run a highway between them rather than through the city? Does it not matter as much that they can&#039;t just lean over the fenceposts to talk to each other, or shout at each other from across the field anymore? In short, does city quality of life trump country quality of life?

And what about the community that crosses municipal borders? When 1-80 was being planned in New Jersey, the town of Leonia was successful in having its route changed to follow its borders rather than cutting through the middle of  it, but what about the neighborhoods that existed along and across those borders? Weren&#039;t they important, or was there nothing there at the time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I&#8217;ve been thinking about this whole &#8220;dividing the community&#8221; thing, and  even putting roads &#8220;in the middle of nowhere&#8221; doesn&#8217;t free us from controversy. The king of roads, Robert Moses, was notorious for not considering the property lines of farmers out on Long Island when planning his parkways. Shouldn&#8217;t we also be careful not to isolate the residents of two adjacent rural properties from each other when we run a highway between them rather than through the city? Does it not matter as much that they can&#8217;t just lean over the fenceposts to talk to each other, or shout at each other from across the field anymore? In short, does city quality of life trump country quality of life?</p>
<p>And what about the community that crosses municipal borders? When 1-80 was being planned in New Jersey, the town of Leonia was successful in having its route changed to follow its borders rather than cutting through the middle of  it, but what about the neighborhoods that existed along and across those borders? Weren&#8217;t they important, or was there nothing there at the time?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Gatling</title>
		<link>http://oclblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/the-onondaga-citizens-league/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Gatling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...I&#039;m looking at the map of the portion of 81 from exit 16a at 481 to 18 at Adams Street, and there are a few other things to be considered if you think about my idea of &quot;the long exit ramp.&quot;

First of all, there&#039;s the fact that there are three places where people get onto the current 81 northbound between those two points, and a lot of that could well be &lt;b&gt;intra&lt;/b&gt;city traffic. People going from Nob Hill to the north side, Or from Calthrop Ave to the University area. I&#039;ve used it quite a bit to get from Colvin to 690.

With this in mind, that &quot;long exit ramp&quot; should still include &quot;entrances&quot; of a sort from where those current entrances are, with the understanding that many people just to the north of exit 16  use it as an &lt;b&gt;intra&lt;/b&gt;city bypass.

Second, it would be nice if, as a part of this process, the two halves of East Raynor were reconnected. I lived on East Raynor for two years as an undergrad, and had no idea that there was another half to it on the other side of 81. I knew there was another street over there, you could see it. But I didn&#039;t know that it was &lt;b&gt;my&lt;/b&gt; street. Was there some practical engineering reason why Raynor was cut off rather than bridged over, or was it a &quot;social&quot; one like sealing off the &quot;bad&quot; neighborhood from SU?

I still wonder about people from Nob Hill getting to the airport, I&#039;m just so used to it being a straight shot right up 81 to Hancock. But I suppose people could learn to deal with taking &quot;the long exit&quot; to Almond Blvd for a few blocks before getting onto &quot;new 481&quot; on the way the airport.

AHA! I just had another idea. Suppose Almond Blvd began at exit 16 as a limited access road (allowing it to still be used as an intracity bypass), and then became more of an urban boulevard when it crossed the railroad tracks just below Brewster-Boland. Van Buren Street would have to be slightly reconfigured to intersect with it after it dropped from passing over the tracks, but I think it could work. And the entire length of Almond Blvd, from Exit 16 to the 690/481 on ramps at Genesee Street, could be given an official State Highway number and signage. Think about it, the entire length of NY-635 (Thompson Rd) from the Carrier Circle Thruway exit to Erie Blvd is only 2.5 miles. This would be 3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;I&#8217;m looking at the map of the portion of 81 from exit 16a at 481 to 18 at Adams Street, and there are a few other things to be considered if you think about my idea of &#8220;the long exit ramp.&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all, there&#8217;s the fact that there are three places where people get onto the current 81 northbound between those two points, and a lot of that could well be <b>intra</b>city traffic. People going from Nob Hill to the north side, Or from Calthrop Ave to the University area. I&#8217;ve used it quite a bit to get from Colvin to 690.</p>
<p>With this in mind, that &#8220;long exit ramp&#8221; should still include &#8220;entrances&#8221; of a sort from where those current entrances are, with the understanding that many people just to the north of exit 16  use it as an <b>intra</b>city bypass.</p>
<p>Second, it would be nice if, as a part of this process, the two halves of East Raynor were reconnected. I lived on East Raynor for two years as an undergrad, and had no idea that there was another half to it on the other side of 81. I knew there was another street over there, you could see it. But I didn&#8217;t know that it was <b>my</b> street. Was there some practical engineering reason why Raynor was cut off rather than bridged over, or was it a &#8220;social&#8221; one like sealing off the &#8220;bad&#8221; neighborhood from SU?</p>
<p>I still wonder about people from Nob Hill getting to the airport, I&#8217;m just so used to it being a straight shot right up 81 to Hancock. But I suppose people could learn to deal with taking &#8220;the long exit&#8221; to Almond Blvd for a few blocks before getting onto &#8220;new 481&#8243; on the way the airport.</p>
<p>AHA! I just had another idea. Suppose Almond Blvd began at exit 16 as a limited access road (allowing it to still be used as an intracity bypass), and then became more of an urban boulevard when it crossed the railroad tracks just below Brewster-Boland. Van Buren Street would have to be slightly reconfigured to intersect with it after it dropped from passing over the tracks, but I think it could work. And the entire length of Almond Blvd, from Exit 16 to the 690/481 on ramps at Genesee Street, could be given an official State Highway number and signage. Think about it, the entire length of NY-635 (Thompson Rd) from the Carrier Circle Thruway exit to Erie Blvd is only 2.5 miles. This would be 3.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisL</title>
		<link>http://oclblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/the-onondaga-citizens-league/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to dt84&#039;s comment, I actually live on the south side, too, near the intersection of bellevue and onondaga, what some people might call one of the worst parts of the city, and I went to Corcoran High School, with some of the kids you are suggesting we seal off from the university area, and never had any problems.  
    In addition, Keith is right in that access to the university is not all that limited now, especially to the projects you are talking about, which are just right across almond street, and has seen hardly any ill effects from it.  Saying that you don&#039;t want to take down 81 because you want to protect the university is a poor reason and one that I wouldnt expect from someone who lives where you do.  You of all people should know that alot of peoples fears are unrealistic and unwarranted, created by misinformation the focus by the media on the negative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to dt84&#8217;s comment, I actually live on the south side, too, near the intersection of bellevue and onondaga, what some people might call one of the worst parts of the city, and I went to Corcoran High School, with some of the kids you are suggesting we seal off from the university area, and never had any problems.<br />
    In addition, Keith is right in that access to the university is not all that limited now, especially to the projects you are talking about, which are just right across almond street, and has seen hardly any ill effects from it.  Saying that you don&#8217;t want to take down 81 because you want to protect the university is a poor reason and one that I wouldnt expect from someone who lives where you do.  You of all people should know that alot of peoples fears are unrealistic and unwarranted, created by misinformation the focus by the media on the negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Gatling</title>
		<link>http://oclblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/the-onondaga-citizens-league/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Gatling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing about my conversion to an &quot;It can be done&quot; person.

Even with the conversion of 81 between the current southern end of 481 and Burt to a long exit ramp,  the entrance ramps to 690 and  a redefined 481 starting at about Genesee St, and an Almond Bouldvard sitting between them, a person driving from Nedrow to Liverpool could still do it quickly by taking the exit ramp to the boulevard and then the on ramp to the new 481. This might add one more minute to their trip if they hit every single traffic light wrong.

But no matter what we do, we have to remember that people &lt;b?in the city&lt;/b&gt; use that route to get to other place &lt;b&gt;in the city&lt;/b&gt;. It&#039;s not just the dreaded exurbanites (and let&#039;s face it, don&#039;t we all enjoy visiting our friends and relatives who live out in places like Tully and Fabius?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing about my conversion to an &#8220;It can be done&#8221; person.</p>
<p>Even with the conversion of 81 between the current southern end of 481 and Burt to a long exit ramp,  the entrance ramps to 690 and  a redefined 481 starting at about Genesee St, and an Almond Bouldvard sitting between them, a person driving from Nedrow to Liverpool could still do it quickly by taking the exit ramp to the boulevard and then the on ramp to the new 481. This might add one more minute to their trip if they hit every single traffic light wrong.</p>
<p>But no matter what we do, we have to remember that people &lt;b?in the city use that route to get to other place <b>in the city</b>. It&#8217;s not just the dreaded exurbanites (and let&#8217;s face it, don&#8217;t we all enjoy visiting our friends and relatives who live out in places like Tully and Fabius?).</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Gatling</title>
		<link>http://oclblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/the-onondaga-citizens-league/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Gatling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, as far as ChrisL&#039;s comment goes about people with certain opinions on 81 obviously not living in the City; I&#039;ve lived in Syracuse for 34 years, ever since I came here for SU, and I wouldn&#039;t move to DeWitt or Fayetteville if you paid me. This city kid from North Jersey loves being able to walk to the corner store, loves having sidewalks and city blocks, and just the whole thing of living in a residential area of a city.

Now that having been said, I never had a problem with 81 where it was. It was properly situated to get me back and forth between SU and North Jersey. It was properly situated to get my wife and I between our first apartment in Clarendon Heights and our church out in Liverpool. It was properly situated to get us from our old house in Eastwood to our sitter&#039;s house in the Valley. I&#039;m a dedicated city-dweller who regularly uses 81 as it exists now. And I have to say that during the 16 years that I lived in the University area, not once did I consider it to be a barrier to my getting downtown from campus.

But this may be because my hometown of East Orange NJ was &quot;divided&quot; by the raised tracks of the DL&amp;W (now NJ Transit), on reinforced concrete structures that I &lt;b&gt;loved&lt;/b&gt; as a kid, even though by then it was clear that they had seen better days. Perhaps what made them seem less of a barrier and less threatening to people is that, like 690, they mostly ran &lt;b&gt;through the middle of the block&lt;/b&gt;, and behind businesses, so that while there were underpasses at every corner, there wasn&#039;t the vast open area that we have under the current 81. Except for the spots along the elevated line that served as the East Orange and Brick Church stations and parking for them, the entire undersection of the raised line was &lt;b&gt;enclosed&lt;/b&gt;. Anyway, being used to passing beneath the DL&amp;W viaducts whenever I went to the library, the barbershop, my grandparents&#039; house, choir rehearsal, and the homes of various girls that I liked in high school, passing under 81 to get downtown was no biggie, and I did that by foot and by bike on a regular basis.

So I&quot;m not some elitist suburbanite who uses 81 to get into the city and then escape back to my &quot;safe&quot; haven. Quite the contrary I work in the burbs and bring my money &lt;b&gt;into&lt;/b&gt; the city, and I&#039;m a city person who uses 81 to get to the many other places and people within this wonderful county that I&#039;d like to visit. After all, let&#039;s face it, Syracuse is a wonderful place to live, but it doesn&#039;t have &lt;b&gt;everything&lt;/b&gt;.

As a result I think that we should think very carefully before we tear the current 81 down, thinking it will be the magic solution to all of the problems of the past. It won&#039;t cure the past, and even with our best efforts and best studies done with &lt;b&gt;current information&lt;/b&gt; there will be some trends and changes we can&#039;t forsee. And maybe 50 years hence, we&#039;ll actually &lt;b&gt;regret&lt;/b&gt; moving 81 from its current alignment, because of changes we couldn&#039;t have begun to anticipate today. Maybe we&#039;ll regret them as little as &lt;b&gt;20&lt;/b&gt; years hence. We can&#039;t know for sure, and admitting that right from the beginning is very important to this process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, as far as ChrisL&#8217;s comment goes about people with certain opinions on 81 obviously not living in the City; I&#8217;ve lived in Syracuse for 34 years, ever since I came here for SU, and I wouldn&#8217;t move to DeWitt or Fayetteville if you paid me. This city kid from North Jersey loves being able to walk to the corner store, loves having sidewalks and city blocks, and just the whole thing of living in a residential area of a city.</p>
<p>Now that having been said, I never had a problem with 81 where it was. It was properly situated to get me back and forth between SU and North Jersey. It was properly situated to get my wife and I between our first apartment in Clarendon Heights and our church out in Liverpool. It was properly situated to get us from our old house in Eastwood to our sitter&#8217;s house in the Valley. I&#8217;m a dedicated city-dweller who regularly uses 81 as it exists now. And I have to say that during the 16 years that I lived in the University area, not once did I consider it to be a barrier to my getting downtown from campus.</p>
<p>But this may be because my hometown of East Orange NJ was &#8220;divided&#8221; by the raised tracks of the DL&amp;W (now NJ Transit), on reinforced concrete structures that I <b>loved</b> as a kid, even though by then it was clear that they had seen better days. Perhaps what made them seem less of a barrier and less threatening to people is that, like 690, they mostly ran <b>through the middle of the block</b>, and behind businesses, so that while there were underpasses at every corner, there wasn&#8217;t the vast open area that we have under the current 81. Except for the spots along the elevated line that served as the East Orange and Brick Church stations and parking for them, the entire undersection of the raised line was <b>enclosed</b>. Anyway, being used to passing beneath the DL&amp;W viaducts whenever I went to the library, the barbershop, my grandparents&#8217; house, choir rehearsal, and the homes of various girls that I liked in high school, passing under 81 to get downtown was no biggie, and I did that by foot and by bike on a regular basis.</p>
<p>So I&#8221;m not some elitist suburbanite who uses 81 to get into the city and then escape back to my &#8220;safe&#8221; haven. Quite the contrary I work in the burbs and bring my money <b>into</b> the city, and I&#8217;m a city person who uses 81 to get to the many other places and people within this wonderful county that I&#8217;d like to visit. After all, let&#8217;s face it, Syracuse is a wonderful place to live, but it doesn&#8217;t have <b>everything</b>.</p>
<p>As a result I think that we should think very carefully before we tear the current 81 down, thinking it will be the magic solution to all of the problems of the past. It won&#8217;t cure the past, and even with our best efforts and best studies done with <b>current information</b> there will be some trends and changes we can&#8217;t forsee. And maybe 50 years hence, we&#8217;ll actually <b>regret</b> moving 81 from its current alignment, because of changes we couldn&#8217;t have begun to anticipate today. Maybe we&#8217;ll regret them as little as <b>20</b> years hence. We can&#8217;t know for sure, and admitting that right from the beginning is very important to this process.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Gatling</title>
		<link>http://oclblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/the-onondaga-citizens-league/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Gatling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so maybe it &lt;b&gt;can&lt;/b&gt; be done.

I was originally a naysayer to the idea of totally getting rid of 81 through downtown, citing the people who needed to get from Nedrow to Liverpool, the ease of access to downtown, and the fact that no matter what we do, &lt;b&gt;someone&#039;s&lt;/b&gt; ox is gonna get gored. It was also based on the fact that &lt;b&gt;I never found it to be a barrier to getting downtown from SU, and the fact that a boulevard as I had perceived it would be even harder to cross than what was already there (I was envisioning having to cross East Genesee Street near the Wegman&#039;s shrine). Then, of course, there was the question of quick access to the hospitals in the area.

But I took a quick glance at some of the pictures in the study at , and I came away thinking a little differently.

I came to the conclusion that if you re-routed 81 to 481, turned the current 81 heading north from there into a long exit ramp into the city, with the boulevard starting at about Burt St, and then at about Genesee Street had that boulevard lead to ramps leading to 690 and what would now be designated 481, &lt;b&gt;it just might work&lt;/b&gt;.

People would still be able to get to and from downtown, through traffic could still get from Binghamton to Watertown, there would still be quick access to the hospitals, since the redesignated &quot;exit ramps&quot; would still put you in the exact same places they did before, and you&#039;d be rid of your &quot;ugly eyesore&quot; and &quot;psychological barrier.&quot;

But there are still a few questions that remain. One of them is whether or not the current 481 is wide enough to handle the increased capacity of the diverted through traffic around the city. I know that I enjoy taking 481 south on my way to work every morning and having the &quot;reverse commute&quot; from Syracuse to DeWitt. I wonder what the increased traffic on the current 481 will do to my travel time and my quality of life. Right now I have an 11-minute commute door-to-door. With the diverted traffic, it could only get worse.

But as I&#039;ve said before, no matter what we do, somebody&#039;s ox is gonna get gored here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so maybe it <b>can</b> be done.</p>
<p>I was originally a naysayer to the idea of totally getting rid of 81 through downtown, citing the people who needed to get from Nedrow to Liverpool, the ease of access to downtown, and the fact that no matter what we do, <b>someone&#8217;s</b> ox is gonna get gored. It was also based on the fact that <b>I never found it to be a barrier to getting downtown from SU, and the fact that a boulevard as I had perceived it would be even harder to cross than what was already there (I was envisioning having to cross East Genesee Street near the Wegman&#8217;s shrine). Then, of course, there was the question of quick access to the hospitals in the area.</p>
<p>But I took a quick glance at some of the pictures in the study at , and I came away thinking a little differently.</p>
<p>I came to the conclusion that if you re-routed 81 to 481, turned the current 81 heading north from there into a long exit ramp into the city, with the boulevard starting at about Burt St, and then at about Genesee Street had that boulevard lead to ramps leading to 690 and what would now be designated 481, </b><b>it just might work</b>.</p>
<p>People would still be able to get to and from downtown, through traffic could still get from Binghamton to Watertown, there would still be quick access to the hospitals, since the redesignated &#8220;exit ramps&#8221; would still put you in the exact same places they did before, and you&#8217;d be rid of your &#8220;ugly eyesore&#8221; and &#8220;psychological barrier.&#8221;</p>
<p>But there are still a few questions that remain. One of them is whether or not the current 481 is wide enough to handle the increased capacity of the diverted through traffic around the city. I know that I enjoy taking 481 south on my way to work every morning and having the &#8220;reverse commute&#8221; from Syracuse to DeWitt. I wonder what the increased traffic on the current 481 will do to my travel time and my quality of life. Right now I have an 11-minute commute door-to-door. With the diverted traffic, it could only get worse.</p>
<p>But as I&#8217;ve said before, no matter what we do, somebody&#8217;s ox is gonna get gored here.</p>
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		<title>By: dt84</title>
		<link>http://oclblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/the-onondaga-citizens-league/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>dt84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ookay,   sorry but i work in the central village and live on the south side.   take your suburban rant somewhere else.   You have NO idea what goes on down there, take a stroll through sometime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ookay,   sorry but i work in the central village and live on the south side.   take your suburban rant somewhere else.   You have NO idea what goes on down there, take a stroll through sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisL</title>
		<link>http://oclblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/the-onondaga-citizens-league/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why that is crucial.  I think the only people who perceive that threat are people who have never really been in that part of the city or are from the suburbs and see anything to do with the projects, poverty, or the city as dangerous and violent.  Those things do go hand in hand in hand in some cases, but that is definitely not always true, and I think the perception of danger of violence and crime is very much exaggerated.  I have friends who lived in the dorms down near that area, male and female, who never had a problem and never heard of or saw any problems with anybody else.  Also, I don&#039;t know if you saw the Post Standard this weekend, but there was a report by the police department that said that the majority of crimes across the country, including Syracuse, are committed by people who know their victim, they are usually not just random acts of violence and theft.  Its not like lowering 81 will open the gates to barbarous hords who are chomping at the bit to rape and pillage the campus.  If history has shown us anything, it is that fear, especially between groups of people who do not really understand each other, has prevented many beneficial and potentially great things from happening.  Don&#039;t stop a project that could really benefit the city because you are afraid of people and of an area that you really don&#039;t know anything about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why that is crucial.  I think the only people who perceive that threat are people who have never really been in that part of the city or are from the suburbs and see anything to do with the projects, poverty, or the city as dangerous and violent.  Those things do go hand in hand in hand in some cases, but that is definitely not always true, and I think the perception of danger of violence and crime is very much exaggerated.  I have friends who lived in the dorms down near that area, male and female, who never had a problem and never heard of or saw any problems with anybody else.  Also, I don&#8217;t know if you saw the Post Standard this weekend, but there was a report by the police department that said that the majority of crimes across the country, including Syracuse, are committed by people who know their victim, they are usually not just random acts of violence and theft.  Its not like lowering 81 will open the gates to barbarous hords who are chomping at the bit to rape and pillage the campus.  If history has shown us anything, it is that fear, especially between groups of people who do not really understand each other, has prevented many beneficial and potentially great things from happening.  Don&#8217;t stop a project that could really benefit the city because you are afraid of people and of an area that you really don&#8217;t know anything about.</p>
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		<title>By: dt84</title>
		<link>http://oclblog.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/the-onondaga-citizens-league/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>dt84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>syou need to remember that the highway seperates SU from the projects.   Seperating SU from  the high crime central village is crucial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>syou need to remember that the highway seperates SU from the projects.   Seperating SU from  the high crime central village is crucial.</p>
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